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PostSubject: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 22nd 2009, 5:05 am

Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication

I didn't really know where to put this post, but wanted to share this news with you guys and make those here who write Pagan/Wicca/Satanism friendly fiction or poetry aware of this site.

My poem "Winged Daughter of Lucifer" and a few others have been picked up by the new e-zine Pagan Imagination. "Winged Daughter of Lucifer" appears in their first edition.

To read, click here and scroll to the bottom of the page.
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PostSubject: Re: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 22nd 2009, 12:36 pm

Sweet! Congrads to those that are developing!
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PostSubject: Re: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 22nd 2009, 1:08 pm

Wow very nice. Congratulations Hydra!

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PostSubject: Re: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 22nd 2009, 1:29 pm

Thanks guys! I thought it was sort of cool considering my highest goal for my poetry for quite awhile has been posting it in my blog and here on the forums.
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PostSubject: Re: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 23rd 2009, 4:51 pm

Again! Sweet! I am glad you are getting the recognition you have been working for! I for one am proud of you!
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PostSubject: Being Mean   June 23rd 2009, 8:04 pm

Sorry, Hydra, but I am going to pick on you -

All right, all right - BREAK IT UP.

Sorry to spoil your parade, Hydra, but what you have done is no different than someone else writing some new verse to "Amazing Grace" and getting it printed in the next "Baptist Message." I mean, it is an accomplishment, but a religious piece is a religious piece. How about getting something published in a real poetry journal.


Note that the above is not really mean, or could be - I haven't really decided. I have relatives that wished I would write Christian fiction. I could, and I could get it published, but it would go nowhere. I would get some "Praise the Lord"s and such, but it would go down as just one more piece of writing towards the infinite. It finally came down to the simple fact that I would rather discuss my fantasy stories with God than some silly gratuity piece that he probably has read trillions of. I don't know the depth of your religious fervor, although I respect you for having some. I respect you for gaining some recognition from those of your religious identity.

I guess that I am just trying to say more than simple "Well done." Sorry if doesn't sound like it. Anyway, WELL DONE.

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PostSubject: Re: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 23rd 2009, 8:54 pm

TerishD, you aren't spoiling my parade but a couple of your points are just a little off.

For one the owner/editor of the site is not "of my religious identity". She's Pagan, and her putting together this magazine that is Wiccan, Pagan, and Satanism friendly fiction could more accurately be compared to a Jewish, Muslim, and Christian friendly publication then one merely targeting the Baptist. Basically, it's a Hell of a big umbrella covering a lot of folks that in many cases loath one another and I really have to tip my hat to her for trying to make it all get along.

Two, I don't think it's fair to say all religious pieces are all equal or that they will automatically go no where. Granted it's harder for such fiction or other media to cross over into the mainstream, but if the piece is really good and/or is marketed correctly it can and does happen. Look at the summer movie list and you'll see Brown's "Angels and Devils" has also now been made into a film, there for awhile you couldn't turn on the radio without hearing the song "I can only imagine", and of course from Satanism we had Marilyn Manson's many hits before that and I can't tell you how often a week I see a sticker, poster, or t-shirt baring the artwork of Coop... there are of course other classical examples of great religious art and literature, but I won't get into that.

But you are right, it's not a big of an accomplishment as getting into one of the big poetry journals, but then I've never really enjoyed those sorts of publications and haven't ever tried to get into one. I sort of take the view of them that you do of most big market fantasy fiction.
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PostSubject: Reply   June 23rd 2009, 11:20 pm

That was a better tirade than I expected. I am heading to a meeting with another school superintendant about a job tomorrow, and was itching from my 'be nice' mantra when I decided to vent on you. Sorry about considering you fair territory, but I would rather be ranted upon by someone that I consider a friend. It is out of my system now. I should get the job tomorrow (I will let you know).

I have never been certain if the market is forgiving or simply willfully ignorant. I remember the good Christians around me singing "Bridge over Troubled Waters" when it was really about drugs. They might be liking those things you mention because of something other than their pagan origins. Still, you need a message in some form. I will not fault you for having a deeper cause than most.

Thank you for being nice, and I will be nice by again wishing you the best.

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PostSubject: Re: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 24th 2009, 2:07 am

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For one the owner/editor of the site is not "of my religious identity". She's Pagan, and her putting together this magazine that is Wiccan, Pagan, and Satanism friendly fiction could more accurately be compared to a Jewish, Muslim, and Christian friendly publication then one merely targeting the Baptist. Basically, it's a Hell of a big umbrella covering a lot of folks that in many cases loath one another and I really have to tip my hat to her for trying to make it all get along.

Not exactly as with the Christian/Muslim ratio, you are now dealing with over 51% of the world population, not to mention neither of these religions are truly minority in the world.

In your pagan works, despite perceived "Disputes" there is a unified knowledge "you are all the little guys" which no matter how you slice it, builds comradeship on some level.

Just wanted to put that out.
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PostSubject: Re: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 24th 2009, 2:47 am

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Not exactly as with the Christian/Muslim ratio, you are now dealing with over 51% of the world population, not to mention neither of these religions are truly minority in the world.

My point was more the diversity of the theology behind the religions, and even the diversity within the religions themselves, then the number of followers.

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In your pagan works, despite perceived "Disputes" there is a unified knowledge "you are all the little guys" which no matter how you slice it, builds comradeship on some level.

Not as much as you might think. I mean sure on a person to person level there can be, but as a whole there isn't a lot of coming together.
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PostSubject: Re: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 24th 2009, 1:59 pm

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Not as much as you might think. I mean sure on a person to person level there can be, but as a whole there isn't a lot of coming together.

Live and Learn. I had no idea.
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PostSubject: Update   June 24th 2009, 6:09 pm

Oh, Hydra, just letting you know that the job should be mine. The only problem with the superintendant and the principal is that I am an upper-level high school person and they want somebody for middle-school. I am certified, and I am somebody actually wanting to settle in the area. They thus said that if a middle-school science person does not show up (and the odds are that they won't -- being very rural), then the job is mine.

My attitude was right. Thanks again for being nice when I vented.

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PostSubject: Re: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 24th 2009, 6:21 pm

It's not a problem, you get special allowances because I like you, and I'm glad to hear you'll likely be getting the job. Sometimes rural schools can be fun, having grownup on a farm I was a rural school student for many years. Just be prepared for your students expecting hunting season and harvest time being valid reasons for being tardy or to be excused from doing homework.
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PostSubject: Re: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 25th 2009, 5:31 pm

I can understand wicca friendly fiction, although Wicca is a form of Paganism anyway, much like Witchcraft. Celtic, Druidism, Odinism, Germanic and Scandinavian, Mediterranean, Native American blah blah blah, so saying wicca AND pagan friendly doesn't make much sense. But, Satanism alongside Paganism I would have thought would've been a big no no as many Christians or whatnot get the two confused to such extents they call the pentacle evil when its the inverted pentacle that's the symbol of Satanism. I don't see the connection between the two seeing as Satanism was formed as a jab at Christianity and the variations of such, where as Paganism covers most, if not all, beliefs and cultures and practices that existed pre-Christianity.

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PostSubject: Re: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 25th 2009, 5:40 pm

Oh I see, you're a Satanic Witch, very cool. Cool

Did you know that the real Lucifer of the bible was actually a tyrannous babylonian king that the founders of Christianity mistook to be the devil? And even Lucifer as a deity was first named by the Greeks for the name of Planet Venus as seen in the morning? Hence Lucifer - Light bearer/bringer, or Morning Star.

I've read the Satanic bible, and as fun as it was, it just wasn't for me LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 25th 2009, 5:51 pm

Yeah, one of my cats is named Venus. I'd always said if I ever got a black cat, which she is, I'd call it Lucifer, after the cat in Disney's Cinderella, but she's a female so I needed a female name and knew the whole Lucifer/Planet Venus Roman connection.
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PostSubject: Re: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 25th 2009, 6:31 pm

I love myths lol Lucifer as a cat's name would be cool, Venus is nice as well! I'm going to integrate Lucifer in my story as part of an incantation, though as a deity of light rather than a devil, I think its a stronger statement to use the concept closer to the way it was originally intended before those mean Christians came along and demon-ised him. Crying or Very sad

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PostSubject: Re: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 26th 2009, 12:09 pm

Yah.. lets not go there Swami with the religious discussions and use of the words "Evil' pre-setting a religious belief. It will not end well.
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PostSubject: Re: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 26th 2009, 12:29 pm

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Yah.. lets not go there Swami with the religious discussions and use of the words "Evil' pre-setting a religious belief. It will not end well.

Ah but they make the most interesting debates lol
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PostSubject: Re: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 26th 2009, 12:35 pm

No they don't.
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PostSubject: Re: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 26th 2009, 12:43 pm

I think someone is grouchy cos Neverland is now closed for business...Very Happy
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PostSubject: Reply   June 26th 2009, 1:12 pm

Well, I have found equating evil with paganism to often present a strange discussion. I have met Satan worshippers that said, "Yep, but evil is going to win." I however have mostly met odd people with odd beliefs simply because they refuse to accept a popular religion. I do feel the need to debate with those that are simply hard-headed (grounding your faith on antagonism to a perceived truth will only lead to destruction), but I don't as I well understand the stupidity of those hard-headed.

As a Christian I am not one to equate evil with paganism. It is a matter of debate of what actually happens to the unsaved good people (there are such). Dante put them in a pleasant section of Hell. Purgatory was created as a method of understanding how really nasty people who are saved could make it into Heaven.

I am not going to call Hydra (or any pagan) wrong, but I usually simply question their intent. There is no doubt in Christianity or other major religion about the existence of creatures besides God and man. My general question is why the pagan focuses on this other entity, and not on the big guy himself (or herself). I however know of Christians that devote their lives to some saint. Some consider God to be too distant. Some see God as having other intents than an eternal afterlife. I hope to see you all in the life beyond, and maybe with facts at our disposal we can have a better discussion.

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PostSubject: Re: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 26th 2009, 1:52 pm

Pagans believe in God and Goddess as the two parts of the divine: the creator. The multiple gods and goddesses worshipped are all different aspects of the divine: the male gods such as pan, loki, zeus etc are all aspects of the one male god, and all the goddesses such as hecate, diana, hel, etc are all aspects of the female god. So, whilst we do in fact have a 'big guy' it is in no way solely male, neither is it sexless. Male gods are worshipped for fertility reasons. There's also the triple goddess of witchcraft which is virgin, mother, and crone aspects of the one goddess. Its also that way for the god, as in hunter, agrarian, sacrificial king, smith etc.

Hydra isn't a Pagan she's a Satanist, quite different from Paganism, and really not to be confused by one another. Pagans have the pentacle: the 5 pointed star. Satanist have a pentacle but its inverted so it points towards the earth, towards self empowerment away from the heavens and God.

The shape of the devil in Christianity was actually taken from the Pagan horned God Pan: man bodied with head of a deer and cloven feet.
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PostSubject: Re: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 26th 2009, 3:23 pm

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Hydra isn't a Pagan she's a Satanist, quite different from Paganism, and really not to be confused by one another. Pagans have the pentacle: the 5 pointed star. Satanist have a pentacle but its inverted so it points towards the earth, towards self empowerment away from the heavens and God.
Excuse me for not caring. Okay, just for my own education, I will care. A Pagan then believes (or focuses) upon an aspect of the higher presence, which they name and envision in a different manner than found in the Sistine Chapel. A non-Pagan non-Christian (call them what you will) ignores the whole higher presence, and focuses on something more immediate (in various manners).

I went to Adams, Tennessee where the Bell Witch once hung out (and supposedly has not left). I would be of the same group as Hydra if I thus put my respect in Kate (the Bell's Witch). Would I be of the same group if I instead focused upon Mother Earth? Would I be of the same group if I worshipped my ancestors? How about my Mother Turtle (or the wise spirit that rests within my mother turtle?)?

Now, what if I were a worshipper of Crom? I know that Howard made him up for Conan, but what if that was the type of god (little 'g') or spirit that I wanted to put my faith upon? What if I felt empowered by some other spirit that somehow contacted me as I sat in the back yard dreaming of alternate worlds?

How many types of categories are there? I see: Christian, Jew, Islam, Hindu, Buddhist, Nature (native American and Wiccan), Ancestor (native American and Shinto), and Pagan (not of the above). I guess that you are saying that Pagan is an exotic version of one of the above, so what is Hydra? Heathen? Oh, ignore Agnostic. If they aren't bothering to consider such a topic, we can leave them out of the discussion.

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PostSubject: Re: Pagan Imagination: Latest Poetry Publication   June 26th 2009, 6:29 pm

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I think someone is grouchy cos Neverland is now closed for business...Very Happy

Since this nothing but insulting cometary, I can see now why you might entertain why religious debates are fun.

Also, what you have said about the pentagram is hyperbola based on unfounded modern day myths.

But I suppose if you wanted to post some sound viable links to support what you have said I might entertain reading them.
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